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Urban Legends:

  • The 433E outfit, 20th Century Limited (400E + three cars), came only with Ivory-windowed cars. False: Tom Sefton had a boxed set with Apple Green windows (one car was a 414 Illinois rather than a 413 Colorado).
  • The 409E outfit, The Olympian (381E + three cars), came only with Apple Green-windowed cars. False: See sets below. By 1934 all windows were likely Ivory as Lionel had quit indicating window color on the car boxes.
  • True: Lionel cleared out its parts inventory. A local collector has a three-car Ivory-windowed 409E outfit with all three cars having 412 and California plates (including the observation). More Ivory-window 412 cars turn up than sets indicate.

I was fortunate to find the "North Woods" set in December 2004. A family in the middle of Wisconsin. Lucky kid -- a rare four-car Ivory-windowed set -- the 414 Illinois car was added as a "separate sale" car to his three-car 409E set since its roof does not match the other three cars (light ventilators). Yet this 414 is a late one with rivet-detailed ends and brass journals.

 
  Number Roof End   Oil Box and Tape Notes
  Location  Vents  Rivets  Journals  Label (RS means Rubber Stamped)
Wagner's North Woods Set
381E -- Tall Flag Poles            
412 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No  
413 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No  
416 Ivory Windows Right Dark No Brass No  
414 Ivory Windows Right Light Yes Brass Small  Most likely bought as an add-on.

 

           
Martin Folb's 433E Set    $260,000 -- likely a service station's special order from the Lionel factory
433E Set Box           Dated 1932 -- 1933-35 tape
400E-400TW Black           Semi-gloss Black
Boxes -- no RS dated 1936 -- 1936 tape
412 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1933-35 tape on box with no end label
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
413 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1933-35 tape on box with no end label
RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
414 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1933-35 tape on box with no end label
RS 414 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
416 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1933-35 tape on box with no end label
RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY

 

           
Stout partial repaint set
381E-412-413-416 Ivory Windows Right Dark   Brass    

 

           
Number Roof End   Oil Box and Tape Notes
  Location  Vents  Rivets  Journals  Label (RS means Rubber Stamped)
Stout set -- tail light added
412 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Cast   Plain tape on box (1931) with end label
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
413 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Cast   Plain tape on box (1931) with end label
RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
416 Ivory Windows Right Dark No Brass   Plain tape on box (1931) with end label
RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
 
433E Set from 1931
400E Black (1931 type)            
412 Apple Windows Right Light Yes Cast ? Plain tape on box (1931)
413 Apple Windows Right Light Yes Cast ? Plain tape on box (1931)
416 Apple Windows Right Light Yes Brass ? Plain tape on box (1931)
 
409E Set from 1931 (eBay 3/31/2008)
381E -- Tall Flags            
412 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Cast No Plain tape on box (1931) -- no end label
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
413 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Cast No Plain tape on box (1931) -- no end label
RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
416 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No Plain tape on box (1931) -- no end label
RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY
 
Gary was offered:
381E Tall Flags -- 409E Set Box           381E Box -- common Red/Green Train Tape
412 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1934 Orange tape on box
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle
413 Ivory Windows Right Light Yes Cast No 1934 Orange tape on box
RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle
416 Ivory Windows Right Dark Yes Brass No 1934 Orange tape on box
RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle

 

           
Number Roof End   Oil Box and Tape Notes
  Location  Vents  Rivets  Journals  Label (RS means Rubber Stamped)
Mixed set on eBay Jan. 22, 2005
381E with White Flags (Late)           1934 tape over early tape
412 Apple Windows - Pete
   Factory repaint over Brown
Right Light No Brass No 1933 tape on box. Wagner has box.
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle P. GREEN
414 Apple Windows - Wagner
   another set with a 414, no 413
Right Light Yes Brass No 1933 tape on box. Wagner has box.
RS 414 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle P. GREEN
416 Apple Windows - Wagner
  
Left Light No Cast Large 1934 tape over early tape. Wagner has box.
RS 412 SPEC. GREEN (no subtitle)

 

           
411E State Set Box
This box is from a late four-car Green 408 State Set, circa 1933. 408E-412-413-414-416. Real hard to find, click 411E
 
Ives State Set
Not really a State Set, but very unusual. Lionel was in bankruptcy and clearing its shelves, click DSS.
 
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